We won't be meeting this week due to a scheduled fight night at Mulligan's pub.
See you all on May 3rd!
We are a group of skeptics who enjoy drinking, hanging out, talking about a variety of things, doing random things around town, and sometimes karaoke. We are centered out of Fort Collins, and are always looking to meet new people. For this blog there will be several different people writing on a variety of topics. Meet us every Saturday at 7pm at Wild Boar Cafe!!!! We don't post on here very often, but we are still meeting check our Meetup page for more details
Thursday, April 24, 2014
Saturday, September 14, 2013
A medium turn out so far.
So Far There Are 9 People Tonight.
Hope To See More Tonight Or Next Week!
Update: 11 People
Hope To See More Tonight Or Next Week!
Update: 11 People
Wednesday, September 11, 2013
We Are Still Active!
Hello Everyone,
We haven't posted on here for awhile due to members moving and lack of time. But we are still active!
We haven't posted on here for awhile due to members moving and lack of time. But we are still active!
We meet at:
Mulligan's Pub
2349 S College Ave
Fort Collins 80525
Saturdays
Saturdays
@~7:00pm until 10:00pm or so
This is a restaurant so all ages are welcome!
(But we do tend to attract a 25yr-50yr age group.)
If you would like to contact one of us for more information visit:
or contact me at:
howard.rachael@ymail.com
Thursday, May 12, 2011
Random pareidolia
Ok, Been a while since anyone's posted here but found this, made me laugh, and since the vast majority of humanity is pissing me off i figured i would share the laughs rather than move to a shack in the woods plotting the downfall of civilization.
from here
Tuesday, March 8, 2011
How To Spot A Scam
I am currently looking for a new job. With the search comes some standard scams, one of which I will illustrate below. I have received quite a few but I decided to post this one because it was subtle and fairly well composed. My comments will be inserted within brackets.
How are you Brian it is wonderful to hear from you.
[This is better than most already. Though the e-mail is in English and spelled correctly, it is grammatically incorrect.]
I appreciate you e-mailing us. In case the posting was not clear, the responsibilities of this position are as follows: you will be answering the phone and taking messages whenever applicable, you will be scheduling the company meetings, and running errands for the company for things such as purchasing supplies and making bank deposits (you will be provided with a company car). While you are running errands, you will also be given one of our company credit card(s)
[(?)]
for all business purchases.
[I admit, at this point I was cautiously excited. If this job were real, I think I might like it. Considering I had applied for a simple customer service job though, I was a bit suspicious.]
You seem definitely
[Grammar again]
qualified for our job opening, and more so than the other 16 applicants we received applications from.
[Here was my first real red flag. I'm better than the other 16 applicants? That's awfully specific.]
I would like to take the next step with you. However, before I am able to schedule a formal meeting, my company will require that you acquire a recent (past 14-21 business days) credit report.
[Any real company will likely require a credit report. But they always have the ability to do it on their own. They also require forms to be filled out by the applicant to prove informed consent.]
We started this because our company had some bad incidents with prior employees taking advantage of having access to a company credit card.
[A credit and background check would be normal here, but a real employer wouldn't need to qualify the request.]
Both myself and the company
[Grammar, again]
will prefer it that you use http://bit.ly/gzZhso
[A URL shortener is a bad sign. Don't follow that link. I did in a sandbox and found the URL goes through several domains before resolving to a (possibly) real credit reporting agency. Again, you wouldn't need to do this. And you should never follow a shortened URL in this kind of e-mail, it's unprofessional at best, duplicitous at worst.]
to acquire your check as they are offering the check at zero cost to you (unlike other places). We also discovered that their scores always report back the most factual and accurate information.
[I didn't check to see if this credit reporting agency was real. If they are trying to get personal information a real one would work. Based upon the multiple domains and the fact that this is a clear scam, I have doubts....]
Once you submit all of the required information, they will show your personal report. Then, you need to email me the reported credit score, a phone number that you can be easily reached, and your availability schedule to arrange an interview.
I ask you to not email me the entire report, as it will have private content. If you have a lower than expected credit score, it will never prevent you from a position with us. I had a fairly low score whenever I started.
[This is interesting. These guys are smart, they expect me to be suspicious. What are they really after? If not personal information, what? But it still sounds like a scam....]
If you do not want to complete a recent credit check, unfortunately the company will require that I contact the second choice.
[A time limit like this isn't unsurprising in a case like this, but the wording just strikes me as fishy.]
Personally, I am hoping to fill this position with a new friendly face and am looking forward to your quick response.
Have a fantastic Thursday,
Kind Regards,
Lois Freeman- HR
Below is the response I sent. Before you say I was too hasty, I did a search for both the body of the e-mail and the name "Lois Freeman" in Google. It didn't take very long to discover that this is a mass e-mail sent all over the country. Since personal information is (at this stage, at least) unnecessary, I suspect this would have led to either increasingly personal questions as the scammer attempted to gain my trust, or an invitation into a multi-level marketing scheme.
Lois,
I will not be sending you a credit report or any other information.
Based on the wording of your e-mail, the URL you provided and some
basic research on my part, it seems clear this is a scam and not an
honest job offer. I have taken the liberty of reporting you and your
header information to both Craigslist and to the Federal Trade
Commission. Have a nice day.
I found this "job" on Craigslist. I don't mention that site by name to implicate or admonish them, rather to point out the ease in which scammers can enter into our lives. Craigslist is a very popular site for job hunters, and for good reason. But like any tool it, and those like it across the Internet (and even the Internet itself) can and will host cons. Be careful. The con I posted above was not obvious at all. The scammers get better at this every day.
How are you Brian it is wonderful to hear from you.
[This is better than most already. Though the e-mail is in English and spelled correctly, it is grammatically incorrect.]
I appreciate you e-mailing us. In case the posting was not clear, the responsibilities of this position are as follows: you will be answering the phone and taking messages whenever applicable, you will be scheduling the company meetings, and running errands for the company for things such as purchasing supplies and making bank deposits (you will be provided with a company car). While you are running errands, you will also be given one of our company credit card(s)
[(?)]
for all business purchases.
[I admit, at this point I was cautiously excited. If this job were real, I think I might like it. Considering I had applied for a simple customer service job though, I was a bit suspicious.]
You seem definitely
[Grammar again]
qualified for our job opening, and more so than the other 16 applicants we received applications from.
[Here was my first real red flag. I'm better than the other 16 applicants? That's awfully specific.]
I would like to take the next step with you. However, before I am able to schedule a formal meeting, my company will require that you acquire a recent (past 14-21 business days) credit report.
[Any real company will likely require a credit report. But they always have the ability to do it on their own. They also require forms to be filled out by the applicant to prove informed consent.]
We started this because our company had some bad incidents with prior employees taking advantage of having access to a company credit card.
[A credit and background check would be normal here, but a real employer wouldn't need to qualify the request.]
Both myself and the company
[Grammar, again]
will prefer it that you use http://bit.ly/gzZhso
[A URL shortener is a bad sign. Don't follow that link. I did in a sandbox and found the URL goes through several domains before resolving to a (possibly) real credit reporting agency. Again, you wouldn't need to do this. And you should never follow a shortened URL in this kind of e-mail, it's unprofessional at best, duplicitous at worst.]
to acquire your check as they are offering the check at zero cost to you (unlike other places). We also discovered that their scores always report back the most factual and accurate information.
[I didn't check to see if this credit reporting agency was real. If they are trying to get personal information a real one would work. Based upon the multiple domains and the fact that this is a clear scam, I have doubts....]
Once you submit all of the required information, they will show your personal report. Then, you need to email me the reported credit score, a phone number that you can be easily reached, and your availability schedule to arrange an interview.
I ask you to not email me the entire report, as it will have private content. If you have a lower than expected credit score, it will never prevent you from a position with us. I had a fairly low score whenever I started.
[This is interesting. These guys are smart, they expect me to be suspicious. What are they really after? If not personal information, what? But it still sounds like a scam....]
If you do not want to complete a recent credit check, unfortunately the company will require that I contact the second choice.
[A time limit like this isn't unsurprising in a case like this, but the wording just strikes me as fishy.]
Personally, I am hoping to fill this position with a new friendly face and am looking forward to your quick response.
Have a fantastic Thursday,
Kind Regards,
Lois Freeman- HR
Below is the response I sent. Before you say I was too hasty, I did a search for both the body of the e-mail and the name "Lois Freeman" in Google. It didn't take very long to discover that this is a mass e-mail sent all over the country. Since personal information is (at this stage, at least) unnecessary, I suspect this would have led to either increasingly personal questions as the scammer attempted to gain my trust, or an invitation into a multi-level marketing scheme.
Lois,
I will not be sending you a credit report or any other information.
Based on the wording of your e-mail, the URL you provided and some
basic research on my part, it seems clear this is a scam and not an
honest job offer. I have taken the liberty of reporting you and your
header information to both Craigslist and to the Federal Trade
Commission. Have a nice day.
I found this "job" on Craigslist. I don't mention that site by name to implicate or admonish them, rather to point out the ease in which scammers can enter into our lives. Craigslist is a very popular site for job hunters, and for good reason. But like any tool it, and those like it across the Internet (and even the Internet itself) can and will host cons. Be careful. The con I posted above was not obvious at all. The scammers get better at this every day.
Sunday, February 13, 2011
A Simple Galileo Fallacy
I frequently hear those on the fringe say that while there is no evidence for their claims, they are in good company. Galileo was called a crank in his day, but he was right. By that logic homoeopathy, for example, must be right as well. Let me take a moment to pop that absurd little bubble.
Galileo's public support of heliocentrism was, indeed, harshly criticised by many, as is homeopathy now. But like the wild-eyed incredulous, anti-science alternative medicine movement, Galileo was also maligned mostly by the anti-science lunatic fringe. Scientists generally agreed with him because his arguments had logic, reason, and evidence. Those who rejected him and his ideas were those who rejected, or were afraid of, science. Just like the Alt-Med people. The homeopaths are not in good company. Do the cranks think before they speak? I don't think so either.
Galileo's public support of heliocentrism was, indeed, harshly criticised by many, as is homeopathy now. But like the wild-eyed incredulous, anti-science alternative medicine movement, Galileo was also maligned mostly by the anti-science lunatic fringe. Scientists generally agreed with him because his arguments had logic, reason, and evidence. Those who rejected him and his ideas were those who rejected, or were afraid of, science. Just like the Alt-Med people. The homeopaths are not in good company. Do the cranks think before they speak? I don't think so either.
Meetup Group
We finally have a meetup group set up. check it out at http://www.meetup.com/focoskeptics/ We will keep that updated for future meetups and communications! Hopefully we will continue to post on here as well.
Sunday, February 6, 2011
Skeptical Book Group: His Dark Materials
The skeptics have voted, and the first book for the new book group component of skeptics in the pub will be “His Dark Materials” by Philip Pullman. I’ve never read this series, and am thrilled to be checking them out; from what I have been told, you can expect a C.S. Lewis style novel with more of an atheist bent, and no Jesus Lion.
His Dark Materials is a trilogy: The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife, and The Amber Spyglass, so while many of us are reading all three, there is no pressure to do so, read what you can and come join us for discussion.
I have both the audio files for the audio book as well as the PDF of the Ebook if you prefer to read that way, in addition to the torrent trackers so you can download them yourselves if it is not convenient to get them directly from me.
The book group plans on meeting in early March, but as of yet, we don’t have a set date for when we should meet. We have three options on the table so far: the book group could meet before or after the normal skeptic meetup, we could make the book group a part of the skeptical meetup once every month (my only hesitation is that while most of the group seems to be interested in the book group, I would be hesitant to hoist it upon those who aren’t), or we could meet on a separate night entirely; as we approach March we will pin down the specifics.
In addition to His Dark Materials, some of the other books that seemed to have the most support were:
Robin Baker’s “Sperm Wars,” which is sort of an “everything you never knew about human sexuality book”
“Preacher” by Garth Ennis which is a graphic novel about a cleric who decides to hunt down God and make him pay for abandoning humanity.
"Last Chance to See" by Douglas Adams. This is, in my opinion, one of Adams’ finest works, and he said so until his passing. Last Chance to see is the collected stories of Adams traveling the globe seeing animals that may be extinct in the very near future.
Of course nothing has been decided yet, but it’s likely that we will be reading at least one of these in the upcoming months, so if you were looking for a preview of things to come there it is. If you have any questions, or want to get involved just leave a comment and I can get you the info you need.
Friday, February 4, 2011
Happy New Year (its the lunar new year?)
Sorry I've been lax in posting our locations and meetings, for the latest info on our group, please send me an email and i will add you to our list. We are meeting this saturday (7pm) at Wild Boar on south college just across from the university. We are working on getting a group started on meetup.com or a similar site, so keep checking back in for updates on that.
Hope to see everyone this week!
Ford: "It's rather unpleasantly like being drunk"
Arthur: "What's so unpleasant about being drunk ?"
Ford: "Try asking a glass of water"
Hope to see everyone this week!
Ford: "It's rather unpleasantly like being drunk"
Arthur: "What's so unpleasant about being drunk ?"
Ford: "Try asking a glass of water"
Thursday, December 23, 2010
whats the harm?
A quick link to a BBC article about the harm caused to children by complementary and alternative medicine:
Alternative remedies 'dangerous' for kids says report
From the article: "Children don't make decisions themselves about their treatment; very often it is their parents, and parents can be misguided by the 50 million alternative medicine websites. The children are victims of lots of nonsense and false claims."
Alternative remedies 'dangerous' for kids says report
From the article: "Children don't make decisions themselves about their treatment; very often it is their parents, and parents can be misguided by the 50 million alternative medicine websites. The children are victims of lots of nonsense and false claims."
Monday, December 20, 2010
This is why science matters!
again..lazy post from work but seriously...Genetic Sequencing Used to Identify and Treat Unknown Disease ... basically this boy had a never before seen bowel disease and had over 100 surgeries because his intestines were trying to kill him. Doctors, with no better idea decided to sequence his genome (Fuckin' sweet) and actually identified a single gene (out or 20,000) that was mutated in a novel way(Fuckin's sweeter) and verified that it was the culprit, then they found a compatible donor and got stem cells from a Chord Blood Transplant (Sweet Jesus that's Fuckin' Sweet) and now he can finally be normal...This is Why SCIENCE MATTERS!!
now we need to contact Matt and Tray and get a Science-y version of this song...
Science...Fuck Yeah!
now we need to contact Matt and Tray and get a Science-y version of this song...
Science...Fuck Yeah!
Friday, December 17, 2010
End of the year party
Just a quick post to let everyone know that we are having a year end party this saturday at 7pm. Call or email for directions.
Bring drinks and snacks and it should be a good time!
Hope to see everyone there!
Bring drinks and snacks and it should be a good time!
Hope to see everyone there!
Tuesday, December 14, 2010
Monkeys + Radiation = ??
just a quickie...apparently NASA had a project on the table (just announced to be put on hold for money reasons) to Irradiate 27 Squirrel monkeys with high intensity Gamma radiation.
Article Linked here
The purpose is to test the effects of long duration space flight (ie to Mars...).
**Side note, if the generation ship becomes a reality and they are offering one-way tickets to Mars to set up longer term colonies or bases or whatnot, SIGN ME UP!!**
Quick question...isn't Gamma radiation what caused mild mannered Bruce Banner to become the Green Machine of Destruction known as The Hulk?
Seriously while there are clearly animal welfare ethics issues to discuss here, I actually am glad that people are serious about understanding what the hell MIGHT happen if someone spends a decent amount of time (months) entirely exposed to radiation levels that don't exist in orbit around the earth.
Article Linked here
The purpose is to test the effects of long duration space flight (ie to Mars...).
**Side note, if the generation ship becomes a reality and they are offering one-way tickets to Mars to set up longer term colonies or bases or whatnot, SIGN ME UP!!**
Quick question...isn't Gamma radiation what caused mild mannered Bruce Banner to become the Green Machine of Destruction known as The Hulk?
Seriously while there are clearly animal welfare ethics issues to discuss here, I actually am glad that people are serious about understanding what the hell MIGHT happen if someone spends a decent amount of time (months) entirely exposed to radiation levels that don't exist in orbit around the earth.
Wednesday, December 8, 2010
Science Cafe and Meeting Saturday
Sorry for the short notice again, but science cafe is tonight, the lecture starts at 6, so arrive earlier than that if you want food or drink. Should be a good talk
Speaker: Dr. Sue James Co-Director
Program of Research and Scholarly Excellence in Musculoskeletal Research, Mechanical and Biomedical Engineering
Topic: Orthopedic Biomaterials and for Joint Repair.
Dr. James will discuss the polymeric materials invented in her research laboratory over the last decade. The approach has been to make the synthetic plastics traditionally used in total joint replacements more like natural cartilage by infusing the plastic with natural biomolecules. These materials are currently undergoing clinical trials in the U.K.
Dr. Sue James Bio:
Dr. Susan P. James is Professor and Head of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Colorado State University. She is also a Professor of Biomedical Engineering at CSU. She was raised in the Midwest (Lincoln, NE and the Chicagoland area) and went to school in Pittsburgh (Carnegie Mellon) and Boston (MIT). She came to CSU in 1994 as an assistant professor. She is the founder and former Director of the School of Biomedical Engineering at CSU. Her research on biomaterials has focused largely on orthopedic applications of polymers and has lead to the development of novel implant materials. She lives in Rist Canyon with her husband and two sons.
Find out more at
http://www.beetstreet.org/65/Science%20Cafe/
Also meet this week at Avo's at 7pm on saturday!
Speaker: Dr. Sue James Co-Director
Program of Research and Scholarly Excellence in Musculoskeletal Research, Mechanical and Biomedical Engineering
Topic: Orthopedic Biomaterials and for Joint Repair.
Dr. James will discuss the polymeric materials invented in her research laboratory over the last decade. The approach has been to make the synthetic plastics traditionally used in total joint replacements more like natural cartilage by infusing the plastic with natural biomolecules. These materials are currently undergoing clinical trials in the U.K.
Dr. Sue James Bio:
Dr. Susan P. James is Professor and Head of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Colorado State University. She is also a Professor of Biomedical Engineering at CSU. She was raised in the Midwest (Lincoln, NE and the Chicagoland area) and went to school in Pittsburgh (Carnegie Mellon) and Boston (MIT). She came to CSU in 1994 as an assistant professor. She is the founder and former Director of the School of Biomedical Engineering at CSU. Her research on biomaterials has focused largely on orthopedic applications of polymers and has lead to the development of novel implant materials. She lives in Rist Canyon with her husband and two sons.
Find out more at
http://www.beetstreet.org/65/Science%20Cafe/
Also meet this week at Avo's at 7pm on saturday!
Friday, December 3, 2010
Wednesday, November 10, 2010
Science Cafe
For those of you that are interested- Science Cafe is tonight at Avo's. The lecture starts at 6, so arrive early to get food and drinks.
Science Cafe Fort Collins
Science has been a successful topic in the cafe setting for almost three years in Fort Collins and, since 1998, around the world. The second Wednesday of the month, Beet Street engages scientists and researchers to present and discuss their topics and research with our community members. Topics span the hard sciences, ranging from green technology to medical research developments to astronomy, to name only a few.
Nov 10:
Speaker: Eugene Kelly
Professor, Soil Science (Pedology and Forest/Range Soils)
CSU, Department of Soil and Crop Sciences
Topic: Soils and Global Change Research
Science Cafe Fort Collins
Science has been a successful topic in the cafe setting for almost three years in Fort Collins and, since 1998, around the world. The second Wednesday of the month, Beet Street engages scientists and researchers to present and discuss their topics and research with our community members. Topics span the hard sciences, ranging from green technology to medical research developments to astronomy, to name only a few.
Nov 10:
Speaker: Eugene Kelly
Professor, Soil Science (Pedology and Forest/Range Soils)
CSU, Department of Soil and Crop Sciences
Topic: Soils and Global Change Research
Thursday, November 4, 2010
Avo's Saturday
So i'm sure we should post on here more often. We've had a lot of fun the past few weeks with halloween related stuff. Time to get back to our regular drinking schedule and meet at Avo's bar this saturday at 7pm.
Wednesday, October 20, 2010
Saturday, October 16, 2010
horses, dear friends and the devil
So this has been bothering me for a while. I have some friends, who are absolutely the nicest people i have ever met. They own and run a horse ranch, where another close friend both lives and works, and also my wife has worked on and off for over a year. They have been entirely hospitable, hosting many barbecues for their friends all the time. We even are always getting free farm fresh eggs from their chickens. They are nice people... I can't stress that enough. They are retired, made their money doing pharmaceutical research (I think he has a PhD), lately they've been seeing some money problems... (Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuuun) they have an addiction... one without the thrill of the win that gambling can give you when you hit 3 bars on the slot machine, one without the rush that even a drug or sex addiction has...
They cannot make a single decision without consulting their "friend"... her name is Sandy and she is a horse Psychic. She charges $50 for a half hour and $80 for the full hour. Now I know... what's the harm? Right? It's their money... they surely can afford it...blah blah blah...BULLSHIT! This lady is better than Miss Cleo because she can talk to the Horses over the Phone... for $80 an h
our... hell Miss Cleo only charged .99 cents a minute... This lady is bleeding them dry.
They consult her on all matters. They call her BEFORE they call the vet. They call HER before they try and train a horse for riding or driving a cart to ask if the horse wants to learn. They call HER if they get an offer to buy one of their horses (their dream was to start this business with Irish Gypsy Horses and breed and sell them... to try to establish the breed in the region). They have turned down decent offers for a sale because "the horse didn't want to go with them" and even better when a second buyer made an offer a week later, the horse changed it's mind and "wanted to go with that first person"...I submit for your approval that she isn't even a good psychic... otherwise she would at least give good financial advise so that they arent forced to go bankrupt...Hell even a GOOD parasite will only do enough damage to weaken but NOT kill... then the host is no good and they have to move on.
Ironically she isn't a particularly good psychic as she recently has said that a horse was angry and dangerous...(he's not... he's a big warmblood and thinks that he's the boss...that's all (not to anthropomorphise)) and that another was a very skittish and angry personality and shouldn't be used around non-experts (this one is good...it came from a charity and they are holding it until it can be placed... and it has been thoroughly trained as a therapy horse).
As an aside...I am NOT particularly a horse person... I like them, they seem nice, however my body apparently hates them...I am extremely allergic to them...does that stop me from going to help my wife and friend around the ranch on a regular basis...NO because I apparently get off on mainlining Benedryl afterward...That said...These are some of the nicest horses as a breed that I have ever had the pleasure of meeting... they are almost like a Lab...friendly and as babies they might even roll over and let you rub their bellies (or so I have been told)
These are very dear friends of mine and I have tried to talk to them. It sickens me that these people (and they are smart, MOSTLY scientific minded people) have been taken in by a charlatan and a fraud. They started this ranch as part of a retirement dream to run as a business... they wanted to breed and sell and ride and show these horses... From what I understand, they are having trouble shelling out the entry fees to show their horses in the arenas where they MIGHT just get recognized and be able to sell these horses for what they feel they are worth... now if only the psychic could tell them how the hoses feel about eating and if they have any suggestions for the ranch...
They cannot make a single decision without consulting their "friend"... her name is Sandy and she is a horse Psychic. She charges $50 for a half hour and $80 for the full hour. Now I know... what's the harm? Right? It's their money... they surely can afford it...blah blah blah...BULLSHIT! This lady is better than Miss Cleo because she can talk to the Horses over the Phone... for $80 an h
our... hell Miss Cleo only charged .99 cents a minute... This lady is bleeding them dry.They consult her on all matters. They call her BEFORE they call the vet. They call HER before they try and train a horse for riding or driving a cart to ask if the horse wants to learn. They call HER if they get an offer to buy one of their horses (their dream was to start this business with Irish Gypsy Horses and breed and sell them... to try to establish the breed in the region). They have turned down decent offers for a sale because "the horse didn't want to go with them" and even better when a second buyer made an offer a week later, the horse changed it's mind and "wanted to go with that first person"...I submit for your approval that she isn't even a good psychic... otherwise she would at least give good financial advise so that they arent forced to go bankrupt...Hell even a GOOD parasite will only do enough damage to weaken but NOT kill... then the host is no good and they have to move on.
Ironically she isn't a particularly good psychic as she recently has said that a horse was angry and dangerous...(he's not... he's a big warmblood and thinks that he's the boss...that's all (not to anthropomorphise)) and that another was a very skittish and angry personality and shouldn't be used around non-experts (this one is good...it came from a charity and they are holding it until it can be placed... and it has been thoroughly trained as a therapy horse).
As an aside...I am NOT particularly a horse person... I like them, they seem nice, however my body apparently hates them...I am extremely allergic to them...does that stop me from going to help my wife and friend around the ranch on a regular basis...NO because I apparently get off on mainlining Benedryl afterward...That said...These are some of the nicest horses as a breed that I have ever had the pleasure of meeting... they are almost like a Lab...friendly and as babies they might even roll over and let you rub their bellies (or so I have been told)
These are very dear friends of mine and I have tried to talk to them. It sickens me that these people (and they are smart, MOSTLY scientific minded people) have been taken in by a charlatan and a fraud. They started this ranch as part of a retirement dream to run as a business... they wanted to breed and sell and ride and show these horses... From what I understand, they are having trouble shelling out the entry fees to show their horses in the arenas where they MIGHT just get recognized and be able to sell these horses for what they feel they are worth... now if only the psychic could tell them how the hoses feel about eating and if they have any suggestions for the ranch...
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